Curse

Lady Lozza · Sep 30, 2006, 04:06 AM // 04:06

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Originally Posted by TsunamiZ

actually, i can care less if my character has clones or not. what really matters to me is whether i can make a character that is to MY liking. and i want enough hair / face featuers to have more combinations to choose from because the current options are lacking.

Yes, but this discussion consists of more than one person, even though you started it people are allowed to voice their opinions and talk about related tangents should they desire. As long as the discussion does not go wildly off-topic, there are no flames, and we adhere to the general forum rules in regards to language, it is not for you to steer the discussion how you wish.

As I said, the reduction in hair and face numbers is not a question. It is a statement. People here have been discussing WHY they don't like it and there have been TWO answers. We are free to address BOTH since they are BOTH on topic. Clones are a problem for some people. Others simply want a character to look right. However those who want a character to look "right" need to keep in mind that it is not them who are creating the game. Whether the devs add more options upon release will not change the fact that you will have to choose the "best" from a limited pool of options (limited is relative).

TsunamiZ · Sep 30, 2006, 08:16 AM // 08:16

well it was starting to get off topic once some start insisting the "clone" issue was due to people not using dark skin colors. but that's not really the matter of concern in this discussion because that's a result of what people choose, not because anet limited our color choices. we don't want the topic to get off track debating controversial real life racial preferences. this topic is about how anet is skimping on face / hair choices in their expansions and our disappointment as a result. this is beyond our control and is why we're posting about it to hopefully get anet to resolve the lack of face / hair choices in expansions.

Omega X · Sep 30, 2006, 08:58 AM // 08:58

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Originally Posted by TsunamiZ

this topic is about how anet is skimping on face / hair choices in their expansions and our disappointment as a result.

How do you know that they are skimping?

You saw a limited amount of things for a limited preview. You would wait for the release to complain that they are skimping yes? That way, the suspicion/assumption becomes fact and something to actually complain about?

You know? Common Sense?

TsunamiZ · Sep 30, 2006, 05:34 PM // 17:34

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Originally Posted by Omega X

How do you know that they are skimping?

You saw a limited amount of things for a limited preview. You would wait for the release to complain that they are skimping yes? That way, the suspicion/assumption becomes fact and something to actually complain about?

You know? Common Sense?

if you had read the last sentence of the first post, you would know

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Based on the Factions preview event, the Nightfall preview event will likely indicate the final amount of face / hair customizations players will get in the final Nightfall expansion.

Franco · Sep 30, 2006, 05:50 PM // 17:50

Im not talking about face features but I wish atleast we were able to change our hair in game >< I just got armor for my necro but her hair really doesnt go with it lol. This sounds gay... but yeah you know what i mean =P

Omega X · Sep 30, 2006, 11:11 PM // 23:11

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Originally Posted by TsunamiZ

if you had read the last sentence of the first post, you would know

That quote doesn't mean a thing because you can't directly compare that preview to this one. Things have changed, especially with faces.

ChildeOfMalkav · Sep 30, 2006, 11:25 PM // 23:25

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Originally Posted by Cineris

There are always those elitists who think playing a one-eyed, one-legged eunuch halfling barbarian is "better roleplaying" than playing a highly muscular warrior. It's not. I'd go further and say that playing something that you don't identify strongly with solely for the purpose of playing it is a gimmick, and thus in my opinion worse than the latter option.

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Originally Posted by Cineris

My point is that intentionally going out of your way for some outlandish gimmicks is often used as an excuse to avoid real characterization and roleplaying, while simultaneously being used as a [false] signifier superiority.

Ummm WHAT?! So it's elitist to want to play a non traditional character? And it's a sign of "false superiority? What the hell are you babbling about, man?

Wow those are some wild general assumptions you're making there. Who cares what characters choose to play? Sorry, but those remarks you made are just laughable. And how exactly is playing an outlandish character "avoiding real characterization and roleplaying?

Dude, you're looking far too much into all this and coming up with some very unlikely theories. The point is that your assumptions and generalizations are just as bad as the "elitists" claiming non traditional characters is "better roleplaying"

TsunamiZ · Sep 30, 2006, 11:31 PM // 23:31

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Originally Posted by Omega X

That quote doesn't mean a thing because you can't directly compare that preview to this one. Things have changed, especially with faces.

we're talking about the amount of faces / hair that were the same. and chances are, there won't be anymore nightfall faces / hair to choose from in the final nightfall.

Soldat · Sep 30, 2006, 11:53 PM // 23:53

ya...as an american, i must say prophecies had the best character creation options in terms of looks.

Omega X · Oct 01, 2006, 07:52 AM // 07:52

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Originally Posted by TsunamiZ

we're talking about the amount of faces / hair that were the same. and chances are, there won't be anymore nightfall faces / hair to choose from in the final nightfall.

But you don't know that because the game isn't out yet.

Cineris · Oct 01, 2006, 08:47 AM // 08:47

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Originally Posted by ChildeOfMalkav

Ummm WHAT?! So it's elitist to want to play a non traditional character? And it's a sign of "false superiority? What the hell are you babbling about, man?

It's elitist to want to play a "non-traditional" character while denigrating "traditional" options, yes. This is pretty simple really.

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Originally Posted by ChildeOfMalkav

Wow those are some wild general assumptions you're making there. Who cares what characters choose to play? Sorry, but those remarks you made are just laughable. And how exactly is playing an outlandish character "avoiding real characterization and roleplaying?

Ask yourself this: What characters in fiction can't be represented as humans? Most fantasy roleplaying games (e.g. Warcraft) have specific stereotypes that substitute for basic characterization. See: "Elves are arrogant xenophobes" or "Dwarves are bad-tempered drunks." The typical route here when going for an outlandish character is to try and subvert the stereotype, but a cheerful, sober dwarf is a concept, not characterization. Creating a character isn't something you can do solely by selecting traits from a list.

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Originally Posted by ChildeOfMalkav

Dude, you're looking far too much into all this and coming up with some very unlikely theories. The point is that your assumptions and generalizations are just as bad as the "elitists" claiming non traditional characters is "better roleplaying"

If you say so. Either way, to try and steer this back towards the topic at hand -- Yes, the trend of decreasing customization options is concerning. And I'd certainly like more options of every kind to be available.

TsunamiZ · Oct 01, 2006, 09:04 AM // 09:04

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Originally Posted by Omega X

But you don't know that because the game isn't out yet.

why don't you reply to this thread after nightfall is released then?

Lawnmower · Oct 01, 2006, 09:25 AM // 09:25

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Originally Posted by Omega X

But you don't know that because the game isn't out yet.

Neither GWP or GWF got any more faces added after their preview events. What makes you think that they would add more for nightfalls release?

TsunamiZ · Oct 01, 2006, 09:51 AM // 09:51

you know, if there were more face / hair options, anet would probably sell more character slots, too

Minus Sign · Oct 01, 2006, 09:52 AM // 09:52

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Originally Posted by Brustow

I don't care about the whole dark vs white skinned characters, really doesn't matter to me.

I do care, with the OP, and hope to see some more options in the future.

I smell GW Store option... just cause Anet knows so many people would buy it.

One of the most insightful posts in the thread imho.

If you want the same content you recieved with the first game, expect to pay more for it now.

You're already on the right track. In a few months, Anet will probably "take note of the discrepancy" and offer this very solution I'm sure. By then, everyone will likely be frothing at the mouth for the variety they were expecting and enough people will be willing to pay extra for it that the addition of content will be hailed the best thing since sliced bread.

All we need to do is forget the OP that says we used to get this type of stuff with game purchase.

That's just idle speculation, of course.

Gedrand · Oct 01, 2006, 01:57 PM // 13:57

I've got a question, and I did a bit of searching and didn't find the answer anywhere else.

Is the PlayNC website the right place to submit a request for more facial appearances? I'm still a bit bummed about the similarity between all the male Paragon faces.

Cineris · Oct 01, 2006, 04:04 PM // 16:04

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Originally Posted by Minus Sign

One of the most insightful posts in the thread imho.

If you want the same content you recieved with the first game, expect to pay more for it now.

Why do you think additional hair and face options should cost more, now?

ChildeOfMalkav · Oct 01, 2006, 04:55 PM // 16:55

Cineris, I'm not going to debate any further with you on your silly assumptions. I made my point and I've already wasted enough time with the silly arguments of yours.

Back on topic, sort of, the whole debate on white vs ethnic faces is pretty sad. Sad that it even has to be brought up. Sad that people are narrow minded. But it's sadly part of how most people are, unless they're very open minded or have had exposure to a lot of cultures. And sadly you just cant change some people's minds that the only good looking face is a white one or at least an ethnic face that has "anglo" features.

And yes having more customizable appearance options would be great. But some of you need to realize that since Prophecies was the first, that it will always be the biggest and to some...the best. ANET isnt skimping out on us on purpose, we're already getting the most content anywhere for the money that we pay.

Cineris · Oct 01, 2006, 05:40 PM // 17:40

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Originally Posted by ChildeOfMalkav

...we're already getting the most content anywhere for the money that we pay.

"We" are? Compared to what? I hardly think Guild Wars is the most content-rich game out there.

ChildeOfMalkav · Oct 01, 2006, 06:03 PM // 18:03

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Originally Posted by Cineris

"We" are? Compared to what? I hardly think Guild Wars is the most content-rich game out there.

You're joking right?